{"id":90871,"date":"2022-11-09T09:45:35","date_gmt":"2022-11-09T08:45:35","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.esteri.it\/sala_stampa\/archivionotizie\/\/2022\/11\/il-ministro-tajani-la-fermezza-paga-il-segnale-e-arrivato-chiedo-un-accordo-ue\/"},"modified":"2022-11-09T12:29:07","modified_gmt":"2022-11-09T11:29:07","slug":"il-ministro-tajani-la-fermezza-paga-il-segnale-e-arrivato-chiedo-un-accordo-ue","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.esteri.it\/en\/sala_stampa\/archivionotizie\/approfondimenti\/2022\/11\/il-ministro-tajani-la-fermezza-paga-il-segnale-e-arrivato-chiedo-un-accordo-ue\/","title":{"rendered":"Minister Tajani: \u201cDetermination pays off. A signal has been given. I will ask for an EU agreement\u201d"},"content":{"rendered":"

Minister Tajani, how will Italy respond to the very clear position taken by the European Union which disagrees with the government on disembarking migrants?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of Foreign Affairs and International Cooperation said \u201cwe abide by international law. It is the non-governmental organisations who should play by the rules.\u201d<\/p>\n

\u00a0This would create conflict with Europe.<\/strong><\/p>\n

\u201cThere is no conflict: we are part of Europe too. Many countries share our problem.\u201d<\/p>\n

\u00a0However, the Commission does not agree, and a solution will clearly have to be found for the future.<\/strong><\/p>\n

\u201cI will discuss the issue of immigration with my colleagues at the foreign affairs council meeting next Monday. As Frontex, the European Border and Coast Guard agency also noted, there is a clear strategy. We are not dealing with people who are in danger at sea because they were shipwrecked, but with organised journeys. The traffickers often leave when they know there is an NGO around: it is no longer a rescue, but a type of taxi service carried out to exploit the desperation of people.\u201d<\/p>\n

\u00a0Basically, is selective disembarkation giving a signal?<\/strong><\/p>\n

\u201cOf course it is. President Macron\u2019s decision to open the port of Marseille to the Ocean Viking shows that something is moving. We are grateful that France is willing to make a decision that reduces the pressure on Italy, proving that it understands the need for a joint approach among EU countries that is solid. I will soon meet my Greek counterpart: we need to ensure that these signals are transformed into solid agreements.\u201d<\/p>\n

\u00a0What do you want from Europe?<\/strong><\/p>\n

\u201cAn agreement to establish how to redistribute migrants who have the right to asylum among the various countries based on population size.\u201d<\/p>\n

\u00a0What about the Dublin Regulation?<\/strong><\/p>\n

\u201cWe have to update the Dublin Regulation, otherwise we\u2019ll stay stuck. If they don\u2019t help us stem the flow of migrants, Italy, with its 7 thousand kilometres of coastline, will find itself in difficulty. Action also has to be taken at the source, starting with Africa, where a 100 billion Marshall plan is needed to combat poverty, disease, terrorism and wars to prevent people who are born there from wanting to escape. We should therefore make agreements with North African countries to block departures and stop the traffickers, destroying their boat engines. Specific policies are also needed for the Balkans – another immigration route – the Mediterranean, without mentioning Ukraine and its refugees. Basically, the roots of the problem need to be addressed.\u201d<\/p>\n

\u00a0In the meantime, what is being done with people who have arrived?<\/strong><\/p>\n

\u201cAll those who could disembark did so. However, since the clear plan behind this situation is to continuously disembark migrants, anyone who does not meet the requirements will have to be taken to Norway or Germany.\u201d<\/p>\n

\u00a0These two countries do not agree.<\/strong><\/p>\n

\u201cA ship is a national territory. Even the Pope says that Italy can\u2019t be left alone.\u201d<\/p>\n

\u00a0All migrants from ships have to disembark according to the conference of bishops.<\/strong><\/p>\n

\u201cThe Pope is the maximum authority of the church. If there is a meeting between traffickers and NGOs, it is not a shipwreck. We have to cut off this traffic. Saving human lives yes, taking action at sea to improve conditions okay, but playing a game that exploits the desperation of these people, no\u201d.<\/p>\n

\u00a0Do you believe that the Maritime Code should be updated? It was not written with mass migration in mind, but for shipwrecks, plain and simple.<\/strong><\/p>\n

\u201cNo. The provisions of the Code are very clear: we just need rules on redistribution now. This is because the NGOs do not meet the traffickers by chance as I mentioned.\u201d<\/p>\n

\u00a0You are on a diplomatic mission with President Mattarella in Holland, one of the countries taking the hardest line against Italy\u2019s request for solidarity.<\/strong><\/p>\n

\u201cI will also speak to my colleague Wopke Hoekstra about this. I will inform him about our problems and emergencies.\u201d<\/p>\n

\u00a0Are you aiming for a specific meeting of the European Council of heads of State and Government?<\/strong><\/p>\n

\u201cIt will take some time to set up: but I believe that immigration will be on the agenda for scheduled European Council meetings.\u201d<\/p>\n

\u00a0As you mentioned, refugees are also arriving from Ukraine. Do we still have to send weapons to Kiev?<\/strong><\/p>\n

\u201cA stance has already been approved in the meantime and when it expires, we will act in accordance with Europe and NATO. In any case, we have to help the Ukrainians. There was an attack by Russia, we must prevent an invasion, and then sit down and agree on a way to find the right kind of peace, one that respects the territorial integrity of a country. We do not want a never-ending war, but to guarantee Ukrainian independence and to make peace.\u201d<\/p>\n

\u00a0At such a sensitive moment, was the rave party issue really so urgent? Will the government make changes to the decree?<\/strong><\/p>\n

\u201cThe problem was addressed at a cabinet meeting since there was a rave being held. One thing has to be made clear: illegal raves cannot be held. Seizing the assets of the participants is one way to prevent them from being organised. We in Forza Italia were against the interceptions, but a non-existent clash was highlighted. Government intervention? Parliament will make any changes it believes necessary.\u201d<\/p>\n

\u00a0With regard to Forza Italia: what is the issue between your movement and that of Ronzulli?<\/strong><\/p>\n

\u201cI\u2019m against any type of personal organisation. There are no movements in Forza Italia: the only one that exists is that of Berlusconi\u2019.\u201d<\/p>\n

\u00a0Will you stay as party coordinator?<\/strong><\/p>\n

\u201cI\u2019ll stay on as coordinator as long as necessary. Berlusconi is the one who decides.\u201d<\/p>\n

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